Read Between The Leading: Read Between The Leading - On this episode we’re joined by special guests...
dave
· 9 months ago
Thanks Matt and Aaron for having us on the show!
Brendon O'Dwyer
· 9 months ago
Love the show. I'm a Design student from New Zealand and I bet there are more listeners here also. Don't assume its only Americans listening ^_^ Keep up the great work!
Matt McInerney
· 9 months ago
I love knowing that we're being heard all over the world. We got some feedback from a listener in London last show, we've talked to a listener in Norway, I think it's all great. What school do you attend in New Zealand? How is design being taught there? By the way, thanks so much for listening.
Brendon O'Dwyer
· 9 months ago
I study at Canterbury University which is in the Sth. Island in Christchurch. Graphic design is a 4yr Bachelor of Fine Arts, for the most part based upon given briefs, until the final year which is research based.
I've just added you on twitter too ^_^
Stephen Coles
· 9 months ago
Hey fellas. Called the voicemail but I'm not sure if it was recorded because I heard no confirmation. Here's a great list of international names for the @ sign: https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind010...
Matt McInerney
· 9 months ago
Thanks so much Stephen. We did get the message, I loved all the at sign names. Thanks for the link too! By the way, really big fan of both typographica and fontshop. Thanks so much for listening and calling in.
GAPS
· 9 months ago
I’m really liking this format you’ve got going, where you bring on a guest, discuss their work with them, and then keep them around to get their opinions on the rest of the show’s topics. I think Monocle have done it once, and it worked well there, too, but their topic range is a little too broad to allow it to work often. You guys make it work really well. Keep striving for better sound quality, though. I had my ipod on full volume on the train this morning and sometimes the guests got washed away by train noises.
Wikipedia (to the rescue!) has a huge list of at-mark names on their site for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign Interestingly, one of the three sources listed is Bringhurst. I just checked the book now, and it’s got barely a paragraph in the terms index, so hardly a definitive source, but kinda cool. More interestingly their disambiguation page for Amphora ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphora_(disambigu...) ) has a couple extra names that are oddly close to those odd combin-o-words that came up at the end of the show: “the @ ("at") symbol (also referred to as asperand and ampersat).”
I think I like amphora the best. Though strudel sounds compact and descriptive as well.
Aaron Heth
· 9 months ago
Ah! Ampersat. That's perfect. I'm rooting for ampersat and strudel right now. Amphora is a close third as well.
The audio issues will be resolved. GAPS, I love your detailed comments every episode, thank you for them.
I'm a big fan of the format too. It's something that occurred to me as natural and communal, something I very much believe in when it comes to graphic design--a community. Obviously, we've seen it over the past few weeks.
Matt McInerney
· 9 months ago
I do think Dave said asperand and I said ampersat, that's funny they came up. Thanks so much for the comments by the way, always helpful. I look forward to continuing to improve our audio quality. I think we might look into getting even better mics and better methods for recording guests (hopefully some that don't crash and lose podcasts too!)
ilovetypography
· 9 months ago
You have a listener in Japan too. Doing a great job, guys.
Matt McInerney
· 9 months ago
Thanks so much for your continued support John. Now let's get you on as a guest, I think that'll make for a great show.
Able
· 9 months ago
Great work, guys! I'll be thinking of a name for the "@". That's actually bothered me for a ling time, too.
If "typesetting" is called "keyboarding, then the "@" would be called Shift 2"?
Vjex
· 9 months ago
Hi guys, great show. I really enjoyed it! i am from Croatia, that's a small country in Europe, its ok if you don't know where it is, a few people do :). Anyway I just wanted t tell you I really really enjoyed your show. It's good to hear other people talk about stuff I think about. I definitely think we SHOULD keep the word "Leading" and not be caught in this new webby standardization its been raging over the web. To follow on that thought I would suggest the next week topic "Where does graphic design end, and web design begin". I would like to know what that because I use graphic and web design and for me is difficult to make that line (not talking about the tech stuff ), Once again, great show!
Paul Carroll
· 9 months ago
Hey guys,
I'm a graphic design student at the University of Minnesota and I'm curious about how much web specific design schooling you guys are getting in your program. It seems like I'm one of very few in the design program here at the U that really want to go into web design, and its really stressful that the curriculum is almost entirely based around flash development.
So essentially, are you guys getting any sort of formal introduction to web design in your program? Or are you web design skills based primarily on your own motives (as mine have been for years)?
Paul Carroll
· 9 months ago
Also: You guys totally need some album art for your iTunes feed.
Aaron Heth
· 9 months ago
Stublag,
We should have album art in iTunes. I know when I visit the iTunes store it has our logo on the page. Not sure if it syncs when it downloads though. We'll need to figure out how to do that.
On web design, Matt and I have quite a large background in it. That's actually how I got involved in graphic design. When I was a kid, maybe 11 or 12, I started to learn HTML, and one thing lead to another.
Personally, I am very unpleased with our school's implementation of web design. Last quarter I took it upon myself to start a web design tutoring group as to teach real standards and information, and not just a software class on Dreamweaver. Web design here is primarily software based and currently only electives, although I know they plan on changing that fairly soon.
I think the state of most art schools at this point is very behind the times with web design, although there seems to be a resistance to plunging in and teaching web design. I think it's partially because of the group of professors art schools have to pull from--that generation of people are very spliced between "graphic designers" and "web designers" and only in our generation are we beginning to see graphic designers with real knowledge on web design and coding.
Good idea, we should talk about this on the show some time! Thanks for listening and your great comment.
Paul Carroll
· 9 months ago
Thats pretty funny, my interest in graphic design also started with making websites as a kid. I've actually been thinking about starting something similar to a web design tutoring group in my program; everyone I talk to is completely overwhelmed by the idea of web development.
There were some great articles on A List Apart a few weeks ago about the challenges with teaching web design in higher education. Definitely worth checking out: http://www.alistapart.com/issues/276
Paul Carroll
· 9 months ago
On second thought, I think I totally read that wrong.
Anyway - enjoying the show, keep it up!
nick campbell
· 9 months ago
I believe you mentioned this last week, but still thought it was interesting enough. It's a site devoted to the Pylon. http://thisisapylon.com/
Marie
· 9 months ago
Great show!
If this show is named "Read Betwen the Line Height", I may not be listening and commenting here. ;)
nerdski
· 9 months ago
Great episode guys. I really like that you guys interview people about design. I really enjoy listening to everyone's perspective about certain design trends or just random things happening in the industry. Keep it up guys.
Now time to think up a name for that damn "@"
dikkordam
· 9 months ago
Hi guys,
Dirk here from Rotterdam, the Netherlands ... thanks for all the tips and discussion. Just started my new blog and mentioned you guys on my blog - and added you guys in the link section.
keep up the good work, I feel really up to date listening to the subjects you guys discuss.
cheers!
Jonze
· 9 months ago
Hmm this is sorta related: India are having similar problems as the "naming the @ symbol" issue, except they have the name but not the symbol!
(Oh and on the subject of fans from around the world, I'm from Ireland :D )
Andrew
· 9 months ago
Hey folks, great podcast! I love the discussions and the content, but like you mentioned, the audio needs a little sorting out! A little muddy audio is fine, but the big variance in levels is something that is really tough to deal with. Keep up the good work, I look forward to every listen!
Cranky Pressman
· 9 months ago
Scrap leading! That's outrageous. Are we going to get rid of uppercase and lowercase as well? Nobody uses type cases anymore (except us occasionally). It appears to me no one still works with brushes, pencils or erasers either yet I see them there on Photoshop. I propose we call them line-maker, soft-line-maker and line-taker-awayer.
Nick Burroughs
· 9 months ago
I had to come back to the first show that used El Ten Eleven just to tell you guys you made a fantastic choice. For me, it's design music at it's best, so, using it in transition in a design podcast is perfect. Keep up the fantastic shows.
Risto Kalmre
· 8 months ago
Just found your radio show and think it's pretty good!
Some comments on the Skittles feed using site and your talk about it.
My friends at Konst&Teknik (http://www.konst-teknik.se) and Martin Ström (http://burnfield.com/martin/) have done kind of a similar thing as Skittles with Swedish small record label http://www.pluxemburg.com They did work on it for almost a year although it might look like just one single page (well, it actually is just one single page). The website aggregates all kinds of info on Pluxemburg and its artists from different social networks (tour dates from last.fm, discography from discogs.com, videos from youtube, links from delicious etc) and automaticly presents that info on www.pluxemburg.com. More info on the project here - http://burnfield.com/martin/2009/02/02/pluxembu...
Skittles is of course something totally different than a small record label and the concept doesn't seem to work for them there. Also the fact that they didn't design their feed content at all but used external designs and sites doesn't help. The Pluxemburg site does come together very nicely though.
http://individurls.com is also kind of similar thing. So it's been going on for a while.
Just some thoughts and links for you:)
Wayne
· 5 months ago
Hi Guys
Changing leading to line height? Why reinvent the wheel? We have a common international design language - speak to another designer about leading anywhere in the world and he will know what you're talking about.
I think it would be awful to forget our heritage - there's a romance in the terms we use (leading etc.,) a solid relation to where the term itself comes from.
All Comments
I'm a Design student from New Zealand and I bet there are more listeners here also.
Don't assume its only Americans listening ^_^
Keep up the great work!
By the way, thanks so much for listening.
Graphic design is a 4yr Bachelor of Fine Arts, for the most part based upon given briefs, until the final year which is research based.
I've just added you on twitter too ^_^
By the way, really big fan of both typographica and fontshop. Thanks so much for listening and calling in.
Keep striving for better sound quality, though. I had my ipod on full volume on the train this morning and sometimes the guests got washed away by train noises.
Wikipedia (to the rescue!) has a huge list of at-mark names on their site for it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_sign
Interestingly, one of the three sources listed is Bringhurst. I just checked the book now, and it’s got barely a paragraph in the terms index, so hardly a definitive source, but kinda cool.
More interestingly their disambiguation page for Amphora ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphora_(disambigu...) ) has a couple extra names that are oddly close to those odd combin-o-words that came up at the end of the show: “the @ ("at") symbol (also referred to as asperand and ampersat).”
I think I like amphora the best. Though strudel sounds compact and descriptive as well.
The audio issues will be resolved. GAPS, I love your detailed comments every episode, thank you for them.
I'm a big fan of the format too. It's something that occurred to me as natural and communal, something I very much believe in when it comes to graphic design--a community. Obviously, we've seen it over the past few weeks.
Doing a great job, guys.
If "typesetting" is called "keyboarding, then the "@" would be called Shift 2"?
i am from Croatia, that's a small country in Europe, its ok if you don't know where it is, a few people do :). Anyway I just wanted t tell you I really really enjoyed your show. It's good to hear other people talk about stuff I think about. I definitely think we SHOULD keep the word "Leading" and not be caught in this new webby standardization its been raging over the web. To follow on that thought I would suggest the next week topic "Where does graphic design end, and web design begin". I would like to know what that because I use graphic and web design and for me is difficult to make that line (not talking about the tech stuff ),
Once again, great show!
I'm a graphic design student at the University of Minnesota and I'm curious about how much web specific design schooling you guys are getting in your program. It seems like I'm one of very few in the design program here at the U that really want to go into web design, and its really stressful that the curriculum is almost entirely based around flash development.
So essentially, are you guys getting any sort of formal introduction to web design in your program? Or are you web design skills based primarily on your own motives (as mine have been for years)?
We should have album art in iTunes. I know when I visit the iTunes store it has our logo on the page. Not sure if it syncs when it downloads though. We'll need to figure out how to do that.
On web design, Matt and I have quite a large background in it. That's actually how I got involved in graphic design. When I was a kid, maybe 11 or 12, I started to learn HTML, and one thing lead to another.
Personally, I am very unpleased with our school's implementation of web design. Last quarter I took it upon myself to start a web design tutoring group as to teach real standards and information, and not just a software class on Dreamweaver. Web design here is primarily software based and currently only electives, although I know they plan on changing that fairly soon.
I think the state of most art schools at this point is very behind the times with web design, although there seems to be a resistance to plunging in and teaching web design. I think it's partially because of the group of professors art schools have to pull from--that generation of people are very spliced between "graphic designers" and "web designers" and only in our generation are we beginning to see graphic designers with real knowledge on web design and coding.
Good idea, we should talk about this on the show some time! Thanks for listening and your great comment.
There were some great articles on A List Apart a few weeks ago about the challenges with teaching web design in higher education. Definitely worth checking out: http://www.alistapart.com/issues/276
Anyway - enjoying the show, keep it up!
If this show is named "Read Betwen the Line Height", I may not be listening and commenting here. ;)
Now time to think up a name for that damn "@"
Dirk here from Rotterdam, the Netherlands ... thanks for all the tips and discussion. Just started my new blog and mentioned you guys on my blog - and added you guys in the link section.
keep up the good work, I feel really up to date listening to the subjects you guys discuss.
cheers!
India seeks rupee status symbol
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/792...
(Oh and on the subject of fans from around the world, I'm from Ireland :D )
Some comments on the Skittles feed using site and your talk about it.
My friends at Konst&Teknik (http://www.konst-teknik.se) and Martin Ström (http://burnfield.com/martin/) have done kind of a similar thing as Skittles with Swedish small record label http://www.pluxemburg.com They did work on it for almost a year although it might look like just one single page (well, it actually is just one single page). The website aggregates all kinds of info on Pluxemburg and its artists from different social networks (tour dates from last.fm, discography from discogs.com, videos from youtube, links from delicious etc) and automaticly presents that info on www.pluxemburg.com.
More info on the project here - http://burnfield.com/martin/2009/02/02/pluxembu...
Skittles is of course something totally different than a small record label and the concept doesn't seem to work for them there. Also the fact that they didn't design their feed content at all but used external designs and sites doesn't help. The Pluxemburg site does come together very nicely though.
http://individurls.com is also kind of similar thing. So it's been going on for a while.
Just some thoughts and links for you:)
Changing leading to line height? Why reinvent the wheel?
We have a common international design language - speak to another designer about leading anywhere in the world and he will know what you're talking about.
I think it would be awful to forget our heritage - there's a romance in the terms we use (leading etc.,) a solid relation to where the term itself comes from.
Cheers
Wayne (UK)